pinks

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Renee ,
Yes it is easy especially when you are just out starting . I have a better idea but need some practice of course too. Interesting what you say about violet. i will remember if i paint violet not to put an under wash of yellow. At the moment i am struggling through the rose leaves on the new painting and i find my impatience is a problem. I have to wait for the water to dry and sometimes just get it wrong or have to re wet the paper. I find it easier in summer as the paper dries faster. I have work tomorrow and wont be able to paint but i did a bit this weekend and it was great. Sometimes when i am at work i get really impatient and want to come home to paint but can't.
regards
Margaret

[marylka]

Hi Margaret,
The pinks that we have on our palette are the Purple magenta (cooler) and Ruby red/Perm rose (warmer) with a touch of aureolin can make lovely pinks in light washes.
Marylka

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Marylke,
I have been finding out more about pinks as i go and now know what my problem with pinks was. It is definitely about warm and cool colours. The pink that i was after i think is a cool pink. It was also about the washes and using a really diluted wash. PArt of the problem with me may be the eye sight deterioration again but now that i know about even colours like pink being either warm or cool it really helps me to work out how to get the colour right.
regards
Margaret

[marylka]

Hi Marylke,
I have been finding out more about pinks as i go and now know what my problem with pinks was. It is definitely about warm and cool colours. The pink that i was after i think is a cool pink. It was also about the washes and using a really diluted wash. PArt of the problem with me may be the eye sight deterioration again but now that i know about even colours like pink being either warm or cool it really helps me to work out how to get the colour right.
regards
Margaret

Hi Margaret,
In our palette the pink are Ruby red/Per Rose warm and Purple Magenta cool and yes very pale with a touch of Aureolin ,I also use a touch of sap green when I want a dusty pink. Yes all colors are cool and warm knowing that does help heaps ,even when thinking of what other color one mixes with it, to ask is it warm or is it cool  A cool color with another cool color is more vibrant, then a cool with a warm, it is more toned down in hue.That where it comes in handy at times one doesn't need all vibrant colors muted colors are needed too.It all comes down to color temperature.
I do enjoy color theory people ask me how do I remember , once I taught myself the principals it makes it so much easier. I can see in the class room many get frustrated that they just don't know how to mix colors I encourage them to read up about it, they even say I can't be bothered I can't see how anyone gets ahead without it, it is well worth the time in my view.
Marylka
 
 

[Renee]

Its also part of the fun to know this and play with it. It becomes 2nd nature easily.

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Renee,
It is funny though (as in strange and amusing) how the cool/warm thing just clicks one day and we are asking ourselves why did we not see this before. I have been wondering for years how susan got a certain pink in her roses in one of my favourite paintings a rose called D'Orleans (tried to find it but can't ) and only realised recently that i was trying to get it with a warm red not a cool one. I also think that sometimes in my attempt to stay true to susan's method I was limiting my palette and would have got the pink with permanent rose most likely.

Anyhow life is a fun journey when you are a painter. You know sometimes i see a painting and i want to cry because it is so beautiful and i keep trying to get to "that" standard. My Atelier book is heavy reading and i know if i persist i will learn a lot.
regards
Margaret

[marylka]

Hi Margaret,
At that time of the book Susan's palette of colors was wider range, and I think that Perm rose was one of them, there was also opaques used in the first layers in some of the demo's .Is the book helpfull in composition .
Marylka

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Marylka,
I think that the book may be good but it is a university style text and fairly complex i think anyhow. It goes into a very interesting history about the old masters and how they used mathematical principles for their composition. I can put more up as i read more but have to wait until weekend to read it more completely. She has some lessons at the end of each chapter for 6 chapters but i think that i need to read a lot more before even trying. I do know that there are classes on the internet for people who want to learn the Atelier style of art and it is mostly about studying the masters and doing their work as practise. I think that we are really doing this with Susan and with Arleta as they are mentoring us in a way and we are using their pieces to practise. Anyhow i will keep you up to date on what i read if you want. It is great to have someone who is actually interested in what i do and who will share their learning experience too. I love having something to read and see about art. I was looking at your communication with Susan in the leaf challenge it was interesting. I need to read that one again and again I think.
regards
Margaret

[Renee]

Hi Renee,
It is funny though (as in strange and amusing) how the cool/warm thing just clicks one day and we are asking ourselves why did we not see this before. I have been wondering for years how susan got a certain pink in her roses in one of my favourite paintings a rose called D'Orleans (tried to find it but can't ) and only realised recently that i was trying to get it with a warm red not a cool one. I also think that sometimes in my attempt to stay true to susan's method I was limiting my palette and would have got the pink with permanent rose most likely.

Anyhow life is a fun journey when you are a painter. You know sometimes i see a painting and i want to cry because it is so beautiful and i keep trying to get to "that" standard. My Atelier book is heavy reading and i know if i persist i will learn a lot.
regards
Margaret

You are correct. With persistence one always succeeds. You are a very sensitive person and it shows in your work. That is the beauty in it, when that part of you shows up in your work. It tells the story of your own beauty.

[gsue2]

Hi Renee,
It is funny though (as in strange and amusing) how the cool/warm thing just clicks one day and we are asking ourselves why did we not see this before. I have been wondering for years how susan got a certain pink in her roses in one of my favourite paintings a rose called D'Orleans (tried to find it but can't ) and only realised recently that i was trying to get it with a warm red not a cool one. I also think that sometimes in my attempt to stay true to susan's method I was limiting my palette and would have got the pink with permanent rose most likely.

Anyhow life is a fun journey when you are a painter. You know sometimes i see a painting and i want to cry because it is so beautiful and i keep trying to get to "that" standard. My Atelier book is heavy reading and i know if i persist i will learn a lot.
regards
Margaret

You are correct. With persistence one always succeeds. You are a very sensitive person and it shows in your work. That is the beauty in it, when that part of you shows up in your work. It tells the story of your own beauty.

Renee,
What a lovely and kind comment.I appreciate your spirit.
Glenda

[Maylon]

""""""""""I was looking at your communication with Susan in the leaf challenge it was interesting. I need to read that one again and again I think.
regards """""""

Hi Margaret so true, it is actually all here, we just have to read it over and over again. I too have just read that thread, what an amazing thread that is. I always want to do my own "thing" but there are a lot of really good tips in there, that do not compromise your own style, I am so scared of that. I love to paint like me, good or bad. LOL
Maylon

[Renee]

""""""""""I was looking at your communication with Susan in the leaf challenge it was interesting. I need to read that one again and again I think.
regards """""""

Hi Margaret so true, it is actually all here, we just have to read it over and over again. I too have just read that thread, what an amazing thread that is. I always want to do my own "thing" but there are a lot of really good tips in there, that do not compromise your own style, I am so scared of that. I love to paint like me, good or bad. LOL
Maylon

One thing I loved about Susan's 1st DVD. She stated at the very end that every artist learns from other artists that they admire, even if its just by observing what you like about their work. You can take what you chose to learn from them and then move on because in the end, we artists all have to sing our own song.

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Marylon,
Thanks for the comment.
Yes it is all there and i  have to read it more. Sometimes i read something good and learn a little bit then next time a little bit more. This is the lession with susan also, as she says so much we have to read it over and over again. I think that doing is probably the best. I have been looking at some of my old work and realise that i had learnt it then but as you said" Need to do your own thing". I recognise that i am influence by artists like Susan and that is a good thing but have to find my own way. We all do but that is part of this fun journey .
regards
Margaret

[mrdwyer9]

Hi Renee,
thanks Renee, I do love this journey so much it brings back lots of memories from my childhood as it started then. Being an artist often starts very young and we start with seeing things in a different way. I have always been one who loves nature and that is why i was so taken by Susan's work. Her paintings of roses as they are in nature was what inspired me to do my first original composition. I still have it and it was not that great really but i learnt from it and went on from there. One of your paintings particularly appeals to me the one of the bright pink daisy like flower you posted with the gorgeous steam train. To me that was another "vision" of the garden , the way we see them when we are just passing by on a walk or pulling out a weed. When i was a child i use to travel by steamtrain from Echuca to Melbourne. The carriages were one that had little rooms for about 8 people . My dad use to work for the railways and he knew all the drivers and conductors. He always use to get out of the car to get a beer in Bendigo and i use to sit there terrified that he would not get back on the train in time. He use to get back on just as the train was moving away from the station . Ah!! memories. Must be getting old. Anyhow as i was saying your paintings had that effect on me and as "Susan" says this is the effect  your painting has is a  measure of how your paintings are communicating with your audience. Can you smell the roses
MArgaret

[Renee]

Hi Renee,
thanks Renee, I do love this journey so much it brings back lots of memories from my childhood as it started then. Being an artist often starts very young and we start with seeing things in a different way. I have always been one who loves nature and that is why i was so taken by Susan's work. Her paintings of roses as they are in nature was what inspired me to do my first original composition. I still have it and it was not that great really but i learnt from it and went on from there. One of your paintings particularly appeals to me the one of the bright pink daisy like flower you posted with the gorgeous steam train. To me that was another "vision" of the garden , the way we see them when we are just passing by on a walk or pulling out a weed. When i was a child i use to travel by steamtrain from Echuca to Melbourne. The carriages were one that had little rooms for about 8 people . My dad use to work for the railways and he knew all the drivers and conductors. He always use to get out of the car to get a beer in Bendigo and i use to sit there terrified that he would not get back on the train in time. He use to get back on just as the train was moving away from the station . Ah!! memories. Must be getting old. Anyhow as i was saying your paintings had that effect on me and as "Susan" says this is the effect  your painting has is a  measure of how your paintings are communicating with your audience. Can you smell the roses
MArgaret

Margaret, thanks for sharing your childhood memories of your dad on the train. I really enjoyed reading it. Those childhood memories are so precious!  It makes me miss my dad! He passed Sept in 07.
My own childhood memories with mom & Dad and my Grandparents...are pretty clear and if I think on it to much, I get tears rolling down my cheeks. Again, I loved the story about you sitting on that train waiting for your dad.
Thanks for your comment on my paintings. The pink daisy looking ones are Echinacea. I took some pictures of them in a Garden at a park. They looked so pretty with the bee's flying about them. I even got on with the bee on it. I want to paint that one someday.